Friday, October 11, 2019

PUBLIC FILES: ERIC HOLTHAUS' now-deleted profile of Greta Thunberg

UPDATED: October 14

See now below the Mathew Ingram item at CJR
with two important tweets:

Why was the Eric Holthaus moving profile of Greta Thunberg and her dad taken down? "Readers who saw the piece said it was “revealing of some of their personal aspects” and “some details could be misused in the wrong hands.”
As the mostly-unreported saga of the now-mysteriously-deleted post by Eric Holthaus re his moving portrait and interview with Greta Thunberg and her father Svante Thunberg at The Correspondent continutes to be unreported by the mainstream press, not one word about the sudden deletion and the real and exact reasons why it was taken down, CJR columnist Mathew Ingram goes into a little here:\

Matt at the Columbia Journalism Review explained that the crowdfunded journalism site that is an English-language spinoff of the Dutch site De Correspondent, took down an article by its climate writer Eric Holthaus that included a first-person interview with teenage activist Greta Thunberg, 16.

In a note, Eric told readers that Thunberg’s family didn’t see the article prior to publication and “after it was published, they raised a number of concerns around sensitivities within the piece with me,” Ingram wrote, adding: "Readers who saw the piece said it was “revealing of some of their personal aspects” and “some details could be misused in the wrong hands.”

The Correspondent website tweeted:

''We've taken our piece on Greta Thunberg down. The Thunberg family did not see the piece pre-publication. After publication, they raised concerns around sensitivities within the piece. We understand their concerns and have decided that the right thing to do is take it down.''

Tom van Eckevort tweeted in response:

''When I read it I did think it was quite revealing and some details could be misused in the wrong hands. But I'm surprised a piece like this wasn't approved first. I'm hoping lessons will be learned from this, because you don't want to lose trust between writers and interviewees.''

Tarja tweeted in reply to Tom:


''Yes, my thoughts exactly. I also read it this morning and thought it was rather revealing of some of their personal aspects. Hope no harm will come from it to Greta and her family, and that you've learned your lesson of letting your subjects to preview before publication.''

So now where do things stand? When will the blogosphere or the Twitter World or the mainstream media MSM like the New York Times or the UK Guardian delve into the real reaons that Holthaus article with pics was taken down?

Not one journalist on the left or the right is looking into this, and just accepting that it had to be taken down, deleted, for reasons that are nobody' business, except for the Thunberg family and Eric.

Meanwhile, a blogger in South Africa read the piece the night it appeared online and although it was deleted son after, Grace Smith remembed what was in the article and blogged about it here below.

When will the media in the USA or Sweden look into this and report the reaon reasons the story was abruptly deleted with no real explanation that made any sense. This story needs to be reported, delicately, sensitively, openly. Who will do it?

GRACE SMITH BLOGGED:


http://www.amindofgrace.co.za/#contact

AN ELDERLY BRTISH WOMAN NAMED GRACE SMITH / in Capetown, South Africa
BLOGS:

......I read a brilliant article last night by the Climate Editor of The Correspondent, Eric Holthaus.  He described a visit he enjoyed in his American home from Greta Thunberg and her father Svante.
At this moment the two Thunbergs are travelling in America where they have been invited to speak at various international conferences.   I read an article about them late last night (10th October 2019) in The Correspondent.  I was too tired to concentrate at that late hour, so decided I would come back to it this morning.

...I was so excited when I first read this revealing story about Greta and her father.   It offers a very personal perspective of this young 16 year old Climate Activist.  She was at that moment a favoured contender for the award of this year’s Nobel Peace Prize but in the end she did not win this year.  In his story Holthaus included the informal WhatsApp postings between himself and Greta when they were negotiating her stay at his home.   As far as I recall, his two young sons are aged about 3 and 5.   A beautiful picture of the two youngsters interacting with Greta and their soft animal toys, illustrated the story.

As I continue my tale, I am aware it may not be a fully accurate reflection of what I read as I am unable to check my facts.   I will forge ahead anyway!    I am a great fan of this young Swedish woman and am not prepared to abandon the story because my source material has disappeared into the ether.

The image remains with me of an unaffected but passionate young woman who has made sacrifices in order to promote the ideas she feels so strongly about.   Greta and her father have been away from home for a couple of months already.   They were offered a trip across the Atlantic in a yacht as air-flight is totally against Greta’s principles.   The pollution produced by aeroplanes is far too extreme.
As I do not have Greta’s memory for articulating facts, I need to speak in generalisations.  What I learned in the article was that an alternative fuel for aeroplanes is going to be very difficult to find.   Batteries are too heavy, and other potential sources of energy have other practical difficulties.   Therefore the possibility of them being used for air flight in the near future is very low.

The Challenges of being a Celebrity

In his description of the stay of Greta and Svelte, Holthaus gave me an idea of the sacrifices the couple have made by spending so much time away from home and the rest of the family.   Greta’s mother and younger sister remain behind in Sweden, and it may be a good few months before the family is once again united.   Greta and her Dad have been invited to a major conference in South America in Chile in December.

The one problem with attending this conference will be negotiating a return trip to Europe by sea in March 2020.   Apparently at that time of the year the currents are not favourable for sailing from West to East.    The travelling duo has still to overcome that practical issue before finalising their plans.

An idealistic new piece of journalism describes the story of an idealistic Climate Activist and her father.   And, true to the aims of The Correspondent, the delightful story has been taken down because of its sensitive content.   I hope my memory grasps the essence of the story without causing any offence.

A few times, whilst talking about the complex logistics of their travelsthe conversation shifts to what Svante calls “escape routes”. At every point on their trip, they have at least one or two ways to leave the continent immediately, if necessary, with varying levels of carbon spent, he explained to Eric.


I didn't notice any "sensitive travel plans" with "legit safety concerns" in Eric olthaus interview with GretaThunberg  and Svante Thunberg that Eric was forced to delete after getting strong complaints from Greta Incorporated. I'm guessing that the biggest reason her family said "please delete entire text and photos" was because of their admission that they are considering flying Greta and dad back to Sweden if stress levels get too high ...or ....after the Chile UN conference is over in December....


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http://www.amindofgrace.co.za/#contact

AN ELDERLY BRTISH WOMAN NAMED GRACE SMITH / in Capetown, South Africa BLOGS:

......I read a brilliant article last night by the Climate Editor of The Correspondent, Eric Holthaus.  He described a visit he enjoyed in his American home from Greta Thunberg and her father Svante.
At this moment the two Thunbergs are travelling in America where they have been invited to speak at various international conferences.   I read an article about them late last night (10th October 2019) in The Correspondent.  I was too tired to concentrate at that late hour, so decided I would come back to it this morning.

...I was so excited when I first read this revealing story about Greta and her father.   It offers a very personal perspective of this young 16 year old Climate Activist.  She was at that moment a favoured contender for the award of this year’s Nobel Peace Prize but in the end she did not win this year.  In his story Holthaus included the informal WhatsApp postings between himself and Greta when they were negotiating her stay at his home.   As far as I recall, his two young sons are aged about 3 and 5.   A beautiful picture of the two youngsters interacting with Greta and their soft animal toys, illustrated the story.

As I continue my tale, I am aware it may not be a fully accurate reflection of what I read as I am unable to check my facts.   I will forge ahead anyway!    I am a great fan of this young Swedish woman and am not prepared to abandon the story because my source material has disappeared into the ether.

The image remains with me of an unaffected but passionate young woman who has made sacrifices in order to promote the ideas she feels so strongly about.   Greta and her father have been away from home for a couple of months already.   They were offered a trip across the Atlantic in a yacht as air-flight is totally against Greta’s principles.   The pollution produced by aeroplanes is far too extreme.
As I do not have Greta’s memory for articulating facts, I need to speak in generalisations.  What I learned in the article was that an alternative fuel for aeroplanes is going to be very difficult to find.   Batteries are too heavy, and other potential sources of energy have other practical difficulties.   Therefore the possibility of them being used for air flight in the near future is very low.

The Challenges of being a Celebrity

In his description of the stay of Greta and Svelte, Holthaus gave me an idea of the sacrifices the couple have made by spending so much time away from home and the rest of the family.   Greta’s mother and younger sister remain behind in Sweden, and it may be a good few months before the family is once again united.   Greta and her Dad have been invited to a major conference in South America in Chile in December.

The one problem with attending this conference will be negotiating a return trip to Europe by sea in March 2020.   Apparently at that time of the year the currents are not favourable for sailing from West to East.    The travelling duo has still to overcome that practical issue before finalising their plans.

An idealistic new piece of journalism describes the story of an idealistic Climate Activist and her father.   And, true to the aims of The Correspondent, the delightful story has been taken down because of its sensitive content.   I hope my memory grasps the essence of the story without causing any offence.

A few times, whilst talking about the complex logistics of their travelsthe conversation shifts to what Svante calls “escape routes”. At every point on their trip, they have at least one or two ways to leave the continent immediately, if necessary, with varying levels of carbon spent, he explained to Eric.


[I didn't notice any "sensitive travel plans" with "legit safety concerns" in Eric olthaus interview with GretaThunberg  and Svante Thunberg that Eric was forced to delete after getting strong complaints from Greta Incorporated. I'm guessing that the biggest reason her family said "please delete entire text and photos" was because of their admission that they are considering flying Greta and dad back to Sweden if stress levels get too high ...or ....after the Chile UN conference is over in December....]

 


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''This is a pretty remarkable piece from Eric Holthaus about when Greta came to tea.''

BUT: ''A few times, while talking about the complex logistics of their travelsthe conversation shifts to what Svante calls “escape routes”. At every point on their trip, they have at least one or two ways to leave the continent immediately, if necessary, with varying levels of carbon spent.''

''THEN the conversation shifts to what Svante calls “escape routes”.''

Eric Holthaus ... The first glimpse I got of Greta Thunberg was late at night, ...She had come to my home in Minnesota with her father, Svante, in a Tesla .... travels,  

''She had come to my home in Minnesota with her father, Svante, in a Tesla...'' 

''THEN the conversation shifts to what Svante calls “escape routes”.''

NEWS TIP: "I didn't notice any "sensitive travel plans" with "legit safety concerns" in @EricHolthaus interview with @GretaThunberg  and @savante_Thunberg that Eric was forced to delete after getting string complaints from Greta Incorporated. I'm guessing that the biggest reason her family said "please delete entire text and photos" was because of their admission that they are considering flying Greta and dad back to Sweden if stress levels get too high."

ERIC WROTE: ''THEN ...the conversation shifts to what Svante calls “escape routes”.''

BRIAN KAHN @BLKAHN Replying to

''this piece is so good Eric!!''

ERIC: ''I reflect on the 24 hours she and her father spent with my family, and realise what is so often missed: ... The first glimpse I got of Greta Thunberg was late at night, ... In the months before the visit, Greta had addressed billionaires at the ...''

'''In more normal times,' correspondent Eric Holthaus writes, 'Greta Thunberg would not be in my living room.' But these times, of course, are not normal.'''

CA said ''In a recent article by Holthaus, Greta and her parents view about the Nobel was clear: they hoped not to win; it would have thrown them even more under the spotlight, and they don't want it at all. The article's been taken down 'cause it revealed sensitive info on the US travel.''

    who Replying to
What Brian said. A beautiful examination of what the *cost* of climate change looks like for one unlikely Swedish family. Thank you for your choices in writing this, Eric. And I hope the stop at your home was the brief respite it sounds like it might have been for Greta and Svante.

AND:added ''Unfortunate but understandable, the need to delete it.. It was a lovely account of Greta's visit to Minnesota and their stay with Eric Holthaus. I read it as a beautiful description of what Greta and her family are experiencing on her journey and in her life right now. I wish them well on their quest.''

AND: ''Others have called the sudden deletion of entire story "surreal" . This file marked files secret has the deleted stuff from Twitter. The story will eventually come out about how holthaus punked Greta and her dad to further his own so-called career. ''

''Svante Toonberg Greta's dad speaking with Eric holthaus during homestay visit via arnies sleek $$$$$ electric car in driveway about Greta and svante planning possible ESCAPE ROUTES if stress of being on the road so long gets to be a problem, including buying airplane tix to home''

“I have many, many hobbies, and interests,” Greta tells PEOPLE. “But I have had to put them aside for now.”

Since August, she has been on sabbatical from school, traveling the world to raise awareness about the urgent need to take action against climate change.
While she’s traveling, she says, “I read and I go for walks. When I’m home, then I am with my dogs – Moses and Roxy.”
She misses them a lot – as well as “my sister, my family – everything at home.”

If everyone understood the implications of the science, she says, it would be clear what we need to do. The science, on its own, is revolutionary enough. Greta and Svante try to decide what percent of the world’s population “really gets it”. 🌱🌍

Update on Eric Holthaus' Greta Thunberg article 

After reading it, I also thought it might have been a better idea publishing this only at a later point. In a few weeks or months time. Hope this will not cause too much troubles. Both your and Greta’s work are way too important to be perturbed by this. 😳

https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/the-correspondent-trekt-interview-met-greta-thunberg-terug-na-bezorgdheid-familie~b50dfc36/    


The Thunberg family did not see the piece pre-publication. After it was published, they raised a number of concerns around sensitivities within the piece with me.
I understand their concerns and based on that, myself and the team at The Correspondent have decided that the right thing to do was to take it down.

A personal conversation with Greta Thunberg on climate, fame ...



https://thecorrespondent.com › a-personal-conversation-with...


Eric Holthaus ... Greta poses with my two boys. The first glimpse I got of Greta Thunberg was late at night, a silhouette wearing a blue jacket, ...

News Greta Thunberg

IN DUTCH
https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/the-correspondent-trekt-interview-met-greta-thunberg-terug-na-bezorgdheid-familie~b50dfc36/

 'The Correspondent' withdraws interview with Greta Thunberg back after concerns family

The Correspondent - international edition of The Correspondent - published Thursday an exclusive interview with the Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg, but withdrew the piece again as the pre-family no access has had.

Greta Thunberg was the first piece, since the international launch of The Correspondent last week that online considerably circulated . "A personal conversation with Greta Thunberg on climate, fame, and trying to get home," was the headline above a report of a two-day stay of the 16-year-old Swedish climate activist with correspondent Eric Holthaus home in the US state of Minnesota.

The day after the article was taken offline. The family Thunberg could not see the text for publication and was concerned about some "sensitivities" said a statement on the website. So the editors decided to withdraw the whole piece, an exceptional measure in journalism. Sleeping Spot The story Holthaus told how the family Thunberg by the United States pulls in one of Arnold Schwarzenegger borrowed Tesla. In a series appjes which time indications and place names were deleted, was to read how Holthaus and Thunberg discuss the deal and a place to sleep.

Eventually she decided to take up the invitation Holthaus to stay home with him and his two sons.

The result of the play was the Nobel Peace Prize, which would make Thunberg chance, but that went Friday to the Ethiopian Prime Minister Ahmed Abiy. The article was published a day before the ceremony. Or the deadline has resulted in a hurry, or if there is another reason why the text is presented, is unclear. Rob Wijnberg founder and editor Eliza Anyangwe do not respond, "because of the situation in which the family's current.

In America it is not common, as is the case in the Netherlands, to submit a pre-interview in its entirety to sources. But since it is a minor, is greater precaution required.

Safety issues

Holthaus, who writes exclusively about climate meteorologist, in the piece described some safety issues regarding the family and the route they will take in the coming months. Perhaps he acted too much detail in these passages.

Bike Lin @Bike_Lin Oct 10



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Oh wow. Especially since it was so personal I thought it was agreed upon by them. Kinda makes me feel guilty for having read it.


  1. Sorry, Eric. Tweeted out your story before I saw this. Have taken it down now. It was beautiful and sad and made my heart ache for Greta. I hope you are able to post a revised version some time in the future.
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    1. The article was read online by over 10, 000 people in USA and 25000 in Europe in translation, Sweden Germany etc. The cat is out of the bad. In the digital age, nothing is deleted forever. Watch it resurface next week on 4Chan etc
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    1. Why not publish an adapted version of the piece instead?

    2. It was! We Americans loved it. It filled in the blanks the pR handlers leave out. Eric did very sensitive portrait of dad too. But family concerns come first. Someone online has already copy pasted original. I know I did. Let me know if u want to read it w/out pics. I won't show
















































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      Andrew RevkinVerified account @Revkin 17 hours ago
      Great crystallizing line from 's wonderful account of 's road trip stop in his MN home: "It’s this beautiful humanity of Greta Thunberg that is her most dangerous quality. Because if Greta is just like us, then what’s our excuse?" And the shoes...

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      After reading it, I also thought it might have been a better idea publishing this only at a later point. In a few weeks or months time. Hope this will not cause too much troubles. Both your and Greta’s work are way too important to be perturbed by this. 😳